Thursday, December 30, 2010

Meeting People the color code poem

We meet people everyday.
Some days its fun with laugh and play.
Others may seem too difficult too stay.

For we all come in many colors and shapes.
But, one thing is for sure we should never hate.
For hate does not paint, a red. a leader that's true
For you will never know a blue that's a do gooder to me and you.

The other colors are different here, let's talk about them too.
White is clear and transparent, its the peacemaker what more can have it?
Yellow is bright that might overshadow white, for it knows how to have fun so we will never miss it.

These colors are different in their ways.
So, let us learn a simple tale today. That we are different painting our own paths.
This is how me meet people everyday.

As the new year approaches, one the things that I hope to improve upon is to respect the ways we treat people everyday. I hope that I can learn to respect the differences instead of judging people on the outside. I pray that God blesses this year for all of his children!

Tuesday, November 30, 2010

The World of Taking Risks

Parable Of The Cautious Man

There was a very cautious man, who never laughed or cried. He never risked, he never lost, he never won nor tried. And when he one day passed away, his insurance was denied, For since he never really lived, they claimed he never died.

This poem teaches us that life needs to be risked if we are to achieve the things that we want most in our life.

Recently, I have forgotten how much as society that we don't want to take anymore risks. In other words it is because of missed opportunities it is the curse of potential. Life is meant about discovering our highest potential.

I have discovered that that the only way to reach our highest potential and to discover what could be possible we must be willing to risk even when sometimes society might shun us for our decisions. Remember that if we risk nothing, we learn nothing and we gain nothing.

It is interesting how people in this world choose to live their ordinary lives, because they are scared of could have been possible. Many people let fear run their lives only to find that they either become lonely or become bored with their lives.

Many of our lives our intertwined by how inventions and how companies were founded upon risks. If we were to look upon the many large companies that provide us our entertainment, Cinemark, Microsoft, Sony, etc. and including the many every day appliances that make our lives easier; we will discover that they inventions had to take upon risks. During the days of these conceptual inventions, many people thought that these inventors were crazy.

It interesting when the paradigm shifts then do the view points of people. It had to take one person to make it move in order for the paradigm to shift. For example, if Oliver and Wilbur Wright chose not to surpass the current paradigm that people were crazy then we would not have the luxury of airplanes.

We must reminded that taking risks to gain something that furthers our potential or our goals is NOT a bad thing. The only time it becomes bad is when it starts to cause harm towards yourself and towards other people.

People live in this world. And, the only way we can progress it is to take risks!

Sunday, September 5, 2010

A story of atheism's faith through a professor!

READ THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! agree its long but worth it and it will answer u............

An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem science has with God, The Almighty.

He asks one of his new students to stand and.....

Prof: So you believe in God?

Student: Absolutely, sir.

Prof : Is God good?

Student: Sure.

Prof: Is God all-powerful?

Student : Yes.

Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

Student: Yes.

Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?

Student: Yes.

Prof: So who created evil?

(Student does not answer.)

Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?

Student: Yes, sir.

Prof: So, who created them?

(Student has no answer.)

Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you.

Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?

Student: No, sir.

Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?

Student: No, sir.

Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God?

Student: Yes.

Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist.

What do you say to that, son?

Student: Nothing. I only have my faith.

Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.

Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

Prof: Yes.

Student: And is there such a thing as cold?

Prof: Yes.

Student: No sir. There isn't.

(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)

Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat.

But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't go

any further after that. There is no such thing as cold . Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of

heat . We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy . Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it .

(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?

Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?

Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright

light, flashing light....But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? In

reality, darkness isn't. If it were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?
Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?

Student: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?

Student: Now tell me, Professor.Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?

Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.

Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.)

Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher? (The class is in uproar.)

Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain?

(The class breaks out into laughter.)

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain,sir.

With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face unfathomable. )

Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.

Student: That is it sir... The link between man & god is FAITH . That is all that keeps things moving & alive.

Thursday, August 26, 2010

Men are pigs the rhyme

The inspiration towards this rhyme! I have been reading a lot of women's status updates in the last months and I must agree with all the comments made to the statements in regards towards men. Please note, that much of this is supposed to be satire, but satire that tends to be somewhat true!

Men are pigs, here is the rhyme
Boy do they know how to wallow with the swine

They roll in dirt; they roll in mud, with carnal lusts unsatisfied
They swallow their dirt along with their dirty mind never to be refined

Boys can't be satisfied for what is mine is mine
Toys, gears, ticks and carnal minds this is what makes them wallow with the swine

How can women choose for fear of what they might lose?
Dignity, integrity are lost for pain is what is construed!

It is a sad tale and beginning
Now I understand what my dear grandfather was singing

Boys are trash, they can't be trusted
O boy, the tales of trust, honor and respect have rusted

The rust that boys is trash is dirt wallowed overtime
I hope that I won't become part of the "pigs of rhyme."

Tuesday, August 3, 2010

Every religion requires faith including atheism

The things that we should never talk about include sex, politics and religion. Though I understand why we should never talk about these subjects, because of the controversial side these topics uphold; I'm going to take undertake one of these topics on which is religion. Now I know that people either believe that there is God or there is not a God. Atheists have a disbelief in the existence of a deity, according to the definition provided by the Merriam Webster Dictionary.

Though no one can really prove that whether there is a God or there is not a God. We both can agree that either theists or atheists are both trying to explain the existence of a universe. Furthermore, as atheists explain the universe using science, which in turn uses evidence, it becomes even more unstable because every piece of evidence used to support a fact changes the fact every single time. For example, science has been known to always progress, but every time that facts are used to progress, previous facts are left to be discredited as no longer as facts. Such examples include the planet Pluto, medical advancements, and etc.

Atheists state that due to the amount of evidence provided it proves that we as a society can discredit a God, because as long as we can see it we can believe it. But, can it be that seeing something even when we have not fully seen it developed can also be based upon faith? There are many atheists out there in the world today who hold "facts" provided by texts when they the atheists themselves who have not seen that evidence to support those facts. It seems that atheists would believe that as soon as it published into a book that it is fact when in fact it is also faith, because they have not yet seen that evidence. As much as we are taught to believe that when books agree with themselves that it can instantly stated as fact, but paradigms are used towards our own viewpoints.

Simply, atheists also have faith that there "facts" are correct even though they have never seen the evidence provided and have never seen the person who found that evidence. For all we know, it can be a lie.

Note: Facts are a wonderful thing, but it education is needed to discern between the difference as fact or fiction.

Sunday, August 1, 2010

Entertain the crowd!

"True power comes when you can entertain the crowd." ~ Tee-J.

As I look into the world today, many of the world loves to be entertained. It is a natural instinct for humans to be entertained. Humans want to be entertained to hopefully hope to escape the pressures of this world every single day. It seems many of the powerful people of this world today are those people who can entertain us through the media, books and music. Some of these people include: J.K. Rowling, Steven Speilberg, George Lucas, etc. Guess what? Mainly these people are wealthy!

I find that those people who can entertain can also have the power. Since they are rich, I have always believed in the saying, "that he has the Gold makes the rules." True words!

My thoughts also reflect upon the comment by Proximo when he told Maximus, "Win the crowd and you'll win your freedom." It seems when you become a people person by trying to entertain the crowd, especially when you can give them what they want; they will automatically cheer you to keep going no matter what the circumstance. In a way when one wins the crowd, they also command the army. In other words, quoted again from the movie, 'Gladiator', "Today I saw a gladiator become more powerful than the emperor Rome!"

Winning the crowd doesn't always mean to win the favor of the crowd; but rather the ability to command legions; and the power to wield an army, a sword; and more importantly the power to entertain the crowd!

Monday, July 26, 2010

Irresponsible!

Prior to beginnning, I have to say that marriage is a wonderful thing; but with any wonderful thing it requires work. Now mainly this blog entry is for a person that I find that is making a reckless decision, and towards the same person who trys to belittle me when they think that they know everything. He tries to belittle me by making fun of me by telling me that I am short; such as calling me short stuff, and telling me that I am immature?! What the hell does he think he is doing by calling me immature? I'm sorry, but somebody with a mental capacity to call me as such; and tell me that I haven't changed over the last two years is someone to judge quickly and someone that should be called immature; because they don't understand that I have grown the last two years. They don't understand what the eff I have been through these last years! Upon calling me such names, it shows that their mental capacity is that of a child! (Excuse me for my vent, I had to get that out of my system. Now I would like to address more logos side of this marrying early argument and why marrying early is IRRESPONSIBLE!)What I hate even more is when they said on facebook that one day I will understand! Understand what I may ask? That marriage is hard work requiring spending time with the spouse, kids and the job? Understand that marrying earlier than 6 months can lead towards divorce? Understand that marriage is an eternal commitment? Understand that marriage will share indifferences that can cause heartache and fights along the way? Understand that marrriage is also the keys towards our Eternal Salvation in order to become Gods? Understand that marriage is a way towards companionship? Understand that marriage is about love and not lust? Is there anything I missed in regards towards marriage?

First off, marriage is about love. But, when a couple rushes into marriage without thinking of the future with that person and what could happen it then becomes selfish. Why does it become selfish? Because, the couple does not try to think of all the possibilities and the responsibilities that comes along with marriage and how it will affect the people that give their blessing. Life is unpredictable with the amount of curve balls that it throws, and if we do not have a roadmap to who they are with and who we are; both will become lost with those curve balls that life will throw. It is ironic that there are many early LDS couple who are oblivious towards the horrors and joys of marriage, because they don't take the time to examine the possibilities of what COULD happen!

Second off, the marriage decision should be made with God. Now I know I have heard that couples have prayed to the Lord whether or not they should marry this person. Though this is a sage advice to do, it can also be the downfall towards the relationship in the long run. Why? The first reason would be that though the Lord may have prompted you to marry this person, he will not tell you who you are supposed to marry; because it will limit your freedom of angency. The second reason would be prompting may not always be what it seems. God works in mysterious ways, and when He tells us to do something it is not sometimes the way that it turns out. For example, remember the story of Abram and Isaac? Abram was told to sacrifice Isaac; but is that what is supposed to happen? No, it was quite the opposite! Implied, this story teaches us that we need to still be careful with how we approach anything the Lord prompts us with and still be on our guard. Becuase, when we are not our guard we will find that we will blame the Lord when something does go wrong. The Lord has enough problems to deal with, and many of the problems that have been dealed with have been with in the name of the Lord. For an extreme example, take many of the terrorist attacks; they were ALL done in the name of God!

Thirdly, the facts towards marriage. I have taken many marriage courses up at BYU - Idaho, and many professors would agree with me that marriage today, especially in our LDS culture is a way to self gratify ourselves! I had a now retired Preparation for Marriage professor named Brother Greene, who stated that he has noticed many couples confuse the Spirit with their emotions! Lust is not the same as love! Anyways, here are the facts with provided sources:

1. It has been stated LDS couples have a 40% divorce rate, which is 10% LOWER than people who AREN'T LDS. What is the cause? The lack of communication. It has been stated that we should keep our eyes wide open before marriage, and half shut afterwards. Many divorces happen, because couples do NOT take the time to get to KNOW their spouse prior to marriage. (300 questions: LDS couples should ask before marriage by Shannon Alder.)

2. A. The bride and groom who tie the knot too quickly begin marriage with an array of false assumptions about how life will be after the wedding. Major conflicts occur a few weeks later when they discover that they differ radically on what each considers non-negotiable issues. The stage is set for arguments and hurt feelings. (p.20).

B. One recommendation: Don't rush the courthsip period when you feel you have found the "one and only." Frank Sinatra said it musically: "Take it nice and easy, making all the stops along the way." AT LEAST A YEAR IS NEEDED TO ALLOW THE PREMARITAL BONDING PROCESS TO OCCUR. (30).

C. "I read a wedding ceremony in New York years ago in which the bride and groom each pledged 'to stay with you for as long as I shall love you.' I doubt their marriage lasted even a few years. The FEELING of love is simply too ephemeral to hold a relationship together for very long. It comes and goes. That's why our panel of six hundred was adament on this point."

D. The MARRIAGE KILLERS:

1a. Overcommitment and physical exhaution: Beware of this danger. It is especially inidious for young couples who are trying to get started in a profession or in school. Do not try to go to college, work full-time, have a baby, manage a toddler, fix up a house, and start a business all at once. It is especially dangerous for the husband to be vastly overcommited while the wife stays home with a preschooler. Her profound loneliness will build discontent and depression. You must reserve time for one another if you want to keep your love alive.)

2b. Excessive credit and conflict over how money will be spent. We've said it before: Pay cash consumable items or don't buy. Don't spend more for a house or car than you can afford, leaving not enough resources for dating, short-trips, baby-sitters, and so on. Allocate your funds with the wisdom of Solomon.

3b. Selfishness: There are two kinds of people in this world: the givers and the takers. A marriage between two givers can be a beautiful thing. Friction is the order of the day, however, for a giver and a taker, and two takers can claw each other to pieces within weeks. In short, selfishness will devastate a marriage every time.

4b. Interference from in-laws. If husbands or wives have not been fully emancipated from their parents, it is best not to live near them. Autonomy is difficult for some mothers (and fathers) to grant, and close proximity guarantees trouble.

5b. Getting married to young. Girls who marry between fourteen and seventeen years of age are more than twice as likely to divorce as those who marry at eighteen or nineteen years of age. Those who marry at 18 or 19 are more than ONE AND A HALF times as likely to divorce as those who marry in their twenties.

( Everything under the number 2's source: Love for a lifetime by Dr. James Dobson.)

3. According to the book called, "First Comes Love," written by Dr. Douglas Brinley and Dr. Mark Ogletree, who are members of the LDS church, they include these facts:

A. In Utah, 54 percent of all divorces occur within the first five years of marriage. 18 percent of divorces occur within the first year. (p. 13)
1a. Furthermore, Dr. James Dobson states that 1.1 million divorces happen in the United States happens every year. The average duration of first marriages that end in divorce is only eight years. (Love for a Lifetime, p. 15).

B. "We have observed that many people 'take no thought for the morrow' when it comes to preparing for marriage. It seems that most young couples spend more time planning their wedding than they do planning for marriage. Sometimes it is only a few weeks into marriage when a husband or wife will say, 'I had no idea my wife/husband was like that. He/she never did that before we were married.' (p.18)

These are some of the many facts that I have studied while studying the cause of failures of marriages. I am thankful that I was able to take the marriage courses up there at BYU - Idaho. I would recommend to take marriage counseling as well prior to hopping into a HUGE commitment. I state these facts and opinions not to show that I disgust the idea of marriage; but rather to show that I care for you. I hope that the youth would make a wise decision towards this eternal commitment! Generally, I have found that those who don't take the time have divorced! Those who have divorced have been many of my youth leaders, and to this day they regret making those mistakes! Now do some get lucky dating for a short period of time? Yes! But, life can not be based off of luck or God, because if we based upon those two things we will never learn anything, but heartache!

I hope a happy marriage is there in your future by making a wise decision! Otherwise, it is irresponsible!

Friday, July 23, 2010

Chapters

Life is a chapter with onion peels that needs to slowly shed to see the center of the onion. It can be difficult for us to see the center especially when peeling the center can lead towards tears of joy or tears of sorrow. Either it was the experience to see what was in the middle that should of counted.

As I close another semester here at BYU - Idaho, I remember everytime when I would leave the campus reminiscing over all those goods times that have taught me a lot about life, love and friendships. People do matter; it through caring about people can we not only create a better world; but a better outlook for yourself. Everytime I can see a person smile is always a good story in that chapter. I have always believe that if you can entertain the crowd then you can command the crowd to help with the worse things of this world while persuading the crowd to buy into your dreams.

Lately, I have been thinking about what I am going to do with that of my life since I am going to graduating this December. I have reflected time and time again that life may not always be the "normal checklist" that we seek in that of our lives. Each has an Eternal Destiny that is assigned to us by an Eternal Creator. It our job to do that Eternal Destiny. As we reach our potentials, we must try to learn to have fun so that others can have fun as well as they see you working towards your goals. It can be hard to see that Eternal Destiny, but like the onion, we must learn to savor the aroma and peel the layers in hopes to reach the middle; because there is a middle. The middle is only reached to those that seek it! How do we seek the middle, especially when we can't see it at first?

Simple, we must never look back with hopes to always look towards the future. I know in my heart the best is yet to come. All I need is faith! The journey has not yet even begun for the journey will only have begun and have ended when we have reached our best destination! Again, the power to win the crowd is true power; the power to change the world!

The best chapter of my life is about to begin!

Tuesday, July 6, 2010

There is no such thing as ugly, fat, too skinny, or unattractive!

Okay, first off I do believe that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Everyone has their perception of what beauty really means. I have seen overweight, or unattractive women become married to some very good guys. Simply placed, beauty lies different with every guy. I just simply placed the fact that guys naturally attract physically before we attract emotionally.

There have been many gorgeous women that I have seen in my life, but there are only a couple that I would even think about going into a relationship with because some have some of the others have very stingy personalities. I tend to realize that women that aren't as attractive tend to be more secure about themselves and tend to have better personalities. Though this may be a hasty generalization, I have found that personality matters most in any relationship. I know it can be hard for some women to understand how guys can attract first physically prior to attracting emotionally.

I will always be sensitive towards a woman's emotions, because I believe that God holds a higher regard for them. With that said, I will never ever say that a woman is ever fat, ugly, skinny or not model type because again beauty IS in the eye of the beholder. It would be interesting to note that there many beautiful women that are also single.

I know that it can be hard for some people, especially women, to understand the perception coming from a man's point of view. As for the men in this world, I wish they would learn to man up and would learn to take initiative in the relationship. It is interesting to note that the work relationships are made by men with an 80/20 ratio. Meaning that men do 80% of the work; because we do the initiating, asking out, paying, buying the engagement ring; and popping the question. I guess the fact that men does most of the work gives the whole new meaning as to why their is a "gentle" in the word gentleman.

Lastly people, especially men, become shallow when they are going more for what is on top of the skin rather than what's under it. We have to remember that beauty is only skin deep, but we have to do what it takes look beyond what the media defines as true beauty. It is our job to define what beauty means. We have to do what is needed to do the best to stand out and do the best not to let anyone stand between us.

What gets me up in the morning.

Okay, yesterday I was asked what gets me up in the morning. Well, that's simple for me. I can be confident that there is a new day to be proactive without having to wait upon someone to direct my life's goals. I know in my heart that I will be married, because I have a long ways to go to make it in life and I have the belief that it will happen. I hope to take courage and take the responsibility towards the actions that I choose everyday. I believe in my abilities, and I believe that anything is possible if I am willing to place my faith in God. There is so much yet to live in life. I yearn to live for it.

In addition, I take comfort in what brings me joy especially with that of music and other things that gives me temporary pleasure. I take life simply that if it happens it happens, and if it doesn't it doesn't. I just learn to live with the reality and the fantasy that I can live life singly if needs be without the consent of what others may think of me. I just don't believe is some type of checklist that we have to check off; but rather the ability to enjoy in what we have as we work towards those things that we want to have in that of our lives. Life is simple, we shouldn't have to make it complicated!

Here is a music video to some up everything that I have discussed:

Wednesday, June 30, 2010

My Creed towards life

Life has many beliefs, especially in this world where beliefs can vary from person to person. Though it can be hard to believe in anything due to the mirage of facts that are twisted towards a person's viewpoint. The one viewpoint that people can not take away are those viewpoints which one can not be supported with that of facts.

I would like to note that I have created another creed in that of my personal journal. These creeds are in no way shape or form a replica of what lies inside my journal. Here are my top creeds:

1. I believe that there is a God who loves and watches over us. He should always come first in our lives.

2. I believe education is the basis towards any dream. It promotes credibility while enhancing the knowledge of a person.

3. I believe that life should be treated with respect. Every creature, plant and human being has a right to live with a soul that yearns to live.

4. I believe life was meant to be lived. If one has stated that they feel they have lived life; that means that they have yet to live and have not yet fully experienced life.

5. I believe family is important. After God, they should be placed priority over everything in life.

6. I believe parenting is a wonderful responsibility, but it should never be taken lightly.

7. I believe that the power to cure the world's ills to not defile a child. A child has the innocence to change the world. A child is able to comprehend the world better than adults. They understand it better, because they think more simple.

8. I believe that destiny is defined as living life daily; and watching what life has to offer you.

9. I believe in the power of service. Use service to help create a better world.

10. I believe that talents and creativity can be developed. Each has talents that are naturally ours, but each of us has the ability to develop those talents to become equally like others.

This is my creed, and I stand behind what I wrote. Here is also a music video to describe how I usually feel.

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Monday, June 28, 2010

Blogs to create

In order to see these blogs, please click on the link that states "view my complete profile" to see the various blogs that I have or will create. These are the blogs I have created or I am going to create later done the road.

The Blogs I have created:

1. My life, my world (this is the main blog)
2. Winter Semester/Rexburg Life.
3. Goals

That Blogs that I have yet to create:

1. My marriage life.
2. Opportunities and adventures that few will experience.

Note: I will repost this every month or so to update the blogs that I will post.

Apparantly things too learn and too concentrate besides marriage

Okay apparantly I have found that I still have a lot to learn about blogging. I hopefully hope that I can keep up with this blog.

Anyways, there are some things that I have to list down here on my blog in regards towards the life here on Rexburg.

I find that it is interesting that many people here on this campus are trying to get married, and when they feel like they don't succeed they feel like a total failure. It seems people on this campus are more selfish, because they care more about more about themselves instead of considering the people that may get hurt in the process as they search for the soul mate.

I don't mind relationships, but many people are obsessed with the the idea that the only thing for them out there is too marry. Come on people there are a lot of things to do with life than just get married. I sometimes wonder if people have ever considered the people that are dying or the experiences that there are out there to life?

I always believe that if you have thought that you have had enough of life than you need to consider that there is still more to life than just getting married.

I know a lot of people are worried that they won't find their soul mate that is LDS, but we have a long life ahead of us and there are still many possibilities to get married since we are still young! Since we are still young learn to enjoy life and experience it, because once you have experienced and enriched your life than you will be that much more interesting towards your spouse.

Think of it, imagine being married young and finding that all you do every single day is to say, "Hi, honey I am home." It sounds too cliche, and it becomes more cliche as you do that every single day. I have been taught that one of the ways to have a happy marriage is too build your stories when your single so that you're interesting from the very first day that you marry that person.

There are too many people close minded on this campus that think marriage is the only thing for them. You know what go get a life!

I may be blunt on this notion, but do not mistake me that I am against marriage. It is just that there is more to life than marriage. Life is black and white enough; it our job to place some color to it that not only makes it interesting, but a life that has served others as well.

Hopefully, over the next month I can get back on track and do what is necessary to do what is needed towards the things that not only benefit my future, but others as well!